Collecting Wood for Woodturning ….How to Use and Turn a Hollow Log

Cutting Up and Using a Hollow Log For Woodturning Projects

As a woodturner I’m always looking for new sources of wood for woodturning as well as new ways to turn pieces of wood or logs that one might think is better suited for the burn pile!

I hear chainsaws running in the neighborhood, I hear wood chippers chopping up branches and it drives me crazy if I can’t get there to see what type of wood I might be able to snag. I see trees that are being taken down or are down laying along side the road and I want to stop at each one ….looking for those perfect bowl blanks ๐Ÿ™‚

wood chipper
Wood chipper destroying 100’s of bowl blanks!

I even watch TV and in the scenery there are trees that are crooked and gnarly and I think …..if only I knew where that was and could get there! I guess you could say I’m a little sick….. woodturning sick that is ๐Ÿ™‚

My son put up a pole barn and had to take down 8 giant oak trees. Although we saved a lot, much of the branches were sent to the chipper and just about anyone who stopped by and wanted a trunk could have it. He wanted his yard nice and neat and I know he thinks I’m just crazy. If I can’t turn it, I burn it ๐Ÿ™‚

Hollow Hickory Tree for the Mill or
Cut Up into Bowl Blanks

So, he brings down a 3 or 4 long trunks, 10 or 12 feet long. They were all solid on the small end but 2 of the bigger trees were hollow at the thick end. The wide end was close to 24″ wide, I could have gotten some awesome hickory bowl blanks but over half of the diameter of the tree was rotted through. Very disappointing to see most of the tree from center out was rotten.

Still…there was some good firewood in the rotted pieces, they would be easy enough to cut and split. So I just figured it would be fire wood. Also I could use it for my smoker, hickory makes excellent wood for smoking meat!ย  Then a light bulb went off in my head and I had a brainstorm.

I had been Turning Spindle
Blanks into “Fishing Bats” & “Billy Clubs”

I was on a mission turning 3 to 6 inch branches into these bats along with vases, candle stick holders, tool handles and cups from what you could call spindle blanks which were for the most part branches.

Actually,ย  I was currently making “fish bats” from 3 to 6 inch branches. I wanted to try and sell them to a couple of the local ‘bait and tackle’ shops in my area and thought I would put a few in my online store. So I had been working with my roughing gouge for the past week making long round blanks, which you could call spindle blanks for woodturning. I wasn’t sure what to call them, I guess they are a type of spindle blank. I just turn a piece until I get all the bark, worm holes and other defects out of the blank. Then I dry them …. drying long spindle blanks. This is when I decided to build a drying cage for spindle blanks.

How To Cut Hickory Spindle Blanks

I’ll see if I can post a picture of the end of one of these hickory tree logs. Basically it is hollow but there can be anywhere from 4 to 6 inches or more of good wood around the outside of the tree. This consists of the sapwood and heartwood in almost equal amounts.

Hollow Hickory Log for Woodturning Blanks
How to use a hollow log for making spindle blanks for woodturning

So…. if you were able to harvest the first 6 to 8″ of the outside of the tree you would have 2 colors, the light sapwood and the dark heartwood. Could make some interesting projects. However in this tree there really wasn’t enough to get a decent bowl blank out of for woodturning.

Cut Sections With The Grain Out of The 24″ Log

Hickory is very hard. If you try to turn it dry its like turning concrete. These trees were very wet getting ready for spring growth so they were filled with water and nutrients.

I thought why not take my 24″ log I just cut and slice it down the length into sections that I could make some wide spindle blanks? I’ve never run across anyone discussing or showing how you can dissect a tree like this for woodturning blanks. You could cut a 6″ x 6″ x 24″ spindle blank if you wanted to turn a vase. I cut a couple 4″x 4″x 24″ slices for my “billy clubs” and “fish bats” and they worked perfectly.

hickory spindle blanks
Cutting a hickory spindle blanks for easy woodturning, piece is from a center rotted tree

Since they were kind of square and had some rotted material on one side I took them to the band saw and knocked off the edges with a jig I made and cut the rotted material off. I also knocked off the corners of the long hickory spindle blank. Turning a square into a octagon shaped piece really made it easy to turn. Hickory is dense and even when wet it was pretty hard.

Since Hickory has a very light colored, almost white, sapwood, and the heartwood is dark brown there were some interesting pieces. I actually turned a couple of blanks for some new tools I wanted with big….long handles. I was going to use oak but now I think I will do a couple with these hickory spindle blanks.

Can Woodturners Use
Rotted Hollow Trees?

I made this post because I wanted to share a new source of wood for woodturning that I discovered. I can’t tell you how many times I walked away from trees that I thought were too rotted and would not yield any wood for wood turning.

I could probably get 2000 or more pen blanks with nice color and grain from these rotted trees…..and that doesn’t mean the blanks would be rotted. As I said, I normally would have cut up the rotted stuff and used it for fire wood.

So next time you run across a tree with a rotted center start to think how you might be able to harvest wood for projects that would go with the the grain instead of across the grain. You could make rolling pins, bowling balls, vases, cups and more cups, bats, light sabers, billy clubs, tire thumpers and fish bats ….you get the idea.

Now I look at rotted trees with a new perspective. It is actually easier to harvest on of these logs because you can cut 24″, maybe 36″ or more off of the dead tree. Then split that piece in half with the grain, maybe split those in half again with the grain and load them easily in your truck or car ….get them home and further process them on your bandsaw or finsih with the chainsaw.

Take What You Can Get

I do not do a lot of spindle turning or end grain turning.

I like to turn wood bowls.

That said, if you are like me you probably have ignored the tree trunk with a big hole going down the center. I hope now if you’ve read this you might look at that rotted tree trunk laying there as a gift ๐Ÿ™‚ There is so much you can pull out of the first 4 to 6 inches of the outside of a tree that is really is worth your effort to harvest some of that and dry it.

Collecting Wood for Woodturning ….
How to Use and Turn a Hollow Log

Keep in mind, you might find a tree that has at least 12″ of good material around the outside but because of the way it is laying or looks you think the wood isn’t worth harvesting for your woodturning needs. You are wrong, I have 2 or 3 oak trees that are at least 36 inches in diameter and as they lay on the ground rotted and hollowed out in the center there is more than 12″ of solid wood that can be cut for either spindle blanks or bowl blanks that can be used for your woodturning addiction.

hickory woodturning blank
hickory woodturning blank from center rotted tree trunk

And ….. often times the lower part of the tree has a good amount of disfigurement, that is burls, crotches and other deviations that give those turning blanks character that you won’t find anywhere else.

I hope you have at least realized that there is another way to look at trees that can be used for our woodturing habit. A rotten tree may be a liability to a homeowner, it just might be a dead tree in a forest but to you, a wood turner, you can slice and dice your way to harvesting some awesome woodturning blanks ๐Ÿ™‚

Woodturning Tips From Firewood to Wood Bowl

From Firewood to Wood Bowl

I decided to start a series of posts and articles that feature wood bowls and other wood turnings made from pieces of wood from firewood, the burn pile or some old wood pile that is ready to get burned for a campfire or bonfire. Basically these will be projects that were turned from free wood found in someones yard, side of the road or in back of some tree guys truck ๐Ÿ™‚ It will be free wood for woodturning that is found someplace and dragged home ๐Ÿ™‚

Winged Wood Bowl from piece of Hickory firewood
A winged bowl made from a piece of hickory firewood

First let’s take a look at a few things any new woodturner needs to know and old turners probably already know but can share with some of the woodturners they mentor.

How To Start Turning Wood

Once you get bitten by the “woodturning bug” you will began a journey of learning how to use new tools, a different assortment of supplies and at some point you will think about considerating some of the bigger woodshop machines. Let’s face it, you’ve either become a tool junky or it was always in your genetics!

Then each tool or machine you buy needs to be learned. You have to learn how to maintain it and use it. For woodturning tools you need to learn how to use them and you need to learn how to sharpen them.

You need to learn what makes a good woodturning tool, what steel is best for you to get started and what woodturning tool sharpening system you need to invest in.

You might want to pick up a cheap set of woodturning tools so you can learn how to use them but more importantly ……learn how to sharpen them.

I suppose I could go on with a list, sentence or paragraph on what you need to get into woodturning but that’s not what I am interested in right now.

My point is there are many different aspects involved in woodturning and at some point you will need to be proficient at all of them. However, do not be dismayed, it’s a process all woodtunrners will go through and you will too.

What Wood Do I Use For Woodturning?

I can’t tell you how many posts are made at our FaceBook Woodturning Basics Group regarding the wood they will put on their lathe. Should the wood be green/wet or dry. Should I start with species A or B. Can I turn construction grade lumber? Can I cut a piece off the tree that fell in the yard? Or can I saw a log/tree on the side of the road, is this good for turning? Or should I go down to my local wood store and buy a bowl blank?

First let me say, if you have to buy all your wood blanks for turning you either have a lot of money or you will end up spending a lot of money.

Learn How To Make Your Own Bowl Blanks

It’s best to understand how a bowl blank is formed and cut from a piece of a tree. Once you get a handle on that you can start your own collection of bowl or turning blanks to work with ……and it will probably be free wood!

Wood bowls can be defined by an unlimited number of shapes. Often times the shape wood bowl is determined by the shape of the log or piece of firewood you might have. One of the things I do is to “Google” wood bowls, and/or wood bowl shape and check out the image tab. It will give you a ton of ideas and inspiration.

Another place to search is YouTube. Same thing, search for wood bowl shape, or turn a wood bowl and you’ll come up with 1000’s of videos that will help you understand what you can turn. You can even type in “bowl from firewood” and you’ll get a couple 100 hits.

Most of Us Want Free Wood

Here’s a link to some free wood sources . You just need to keep your eyes open, carry a chainsaw around with you and pull off the side of the road when you see a tree laying in the culvert ….or on the road and cut up a few pieces for yourself. You will be surprised at how much wood you can collect if you just become aware of your surroundings.

That said, there is also Facebook Marketplace where people are looking to give away free wood all the time, check out ebay and also craigslist. Don’t forget the bulletin boards in some of your local stores, or print up some cards for yourself saying that you are looking for free wood for your woodturning business, pass them out, pin them and you would be amazed at what comes back at you. Throw in a free wood bowl and that will seal the deal.

All Wood Is Fair To Turn

As I started I did not have a lot of money. I certainly could not go to the local woodworking store and buy a bowl blank for 50 bucks. So I would look for trees on the side of the road that were down. I would ask tree trimming crews for a couple pieces of bigger branches and trunks. City dumps always have a pile of wood that is free for the taking (always ask first). Many other sources for free wood for your woodturning needs, read this https://www.woodturningbasics.com/harvesting-an-ash-tree-for-woodturning-cutting-bowl-blanks-from-logs/

Firewood For WoodTurning Projects

A source of wood for woodturning I really did not think of or expect was firewood. Yes, firewood for woodturning is a cheap source of wood for woodturning if you live in the city or suburbs and have problems getting wood for your woodturning habit. Have you seen a small bundle of firewood in front of a 7-11 store or quick market? Since we heat with wood, when I’m sick, I get a full cord of chopped wood, all different species that is dried and ready to put in the wood stove. Yes I heat our home with a wood stove and we can go through quite a bit of chopped wood, I almost always do it myself but last couple of years I’ve been sick and had to buy chopped wood……killed me to do that ๐Ÿ™

Campfire Wood Packs for Woodturning

Some guys will pick up one of those little packs of firewood (meant for a campfire) and bring them home to look and see how they might be able to cut to fit on their lathe. In fact, I was surprised at how many woodturners were doing that.

So, I decided create a category called “Firewood to Wood Bowl” where I will discuss how you can turn a piece of firewood that was intended for the fireplace or wood stove but ended up on your lathe and you turn a beautiful project!

I want to be able to cover some of the different ways you can mount a piece of firewood on your wood lathe. Whether it be between centers or installed on your chuck.

So, I thought I would just mount a piece of firewood on the lathe and see what happens and where I go with it. In many ways, these turn out to be some of the most beautiful projects ๐Ÿ™‚

Looking For Strange Wood Sources That Yield Wood Turned Pieces of Art

I will also search for others who have taken that strange looking branch or piece of firewood and end up making a woodturning that is worthy of being called a work of art. At the same time, I will look for those who turn firewood pieces into functional pieces that can be used every day.

I live on a river. Logs float down stream all the time. I think I will cut a few river blanks for woodturning and see what I can turn! Those that manage waterways would be only too happy to let you load up a truck or your trunk with some cut offs. Remember…..think outside the box!

Picking Out Your Pieces
From The Firewood Pile
For Woodturning Blanks

Usually I look for the piece of firewood that has good color, is dry and has some meat to it. That is, you have a substantial piece of wood in your hands.

At this point I usually don’t have any idea what I want to turn. All I’m concerned with is how do I mount this piece of firewood on my wood lathe…..and am I going to turn a spindle shape or will it be a bowl of some kind ….or can I make it a combination of bowl and spindle?

How to Mount the Piece of
Firewood for Woodturning?

Most firewood pieces are triangular shaped or could be a rough shape of 4 sides. The question we ask ourselves is how do I get this piece of firewood on the lathe?

When I mount a piece of firewood on the lathe I consider 2 options.

Should I mount the piece between centers along the length of the bedways, in line with the endgrain? Or should I mount the piece perpendicular, that is 90ยฐ to the bedways.

Lets say I mount it perpendicular to the bedways. Next I need to determine which side will have the tenon or recess and which side will have the tailstock pushed into it. Keep in mind, the side with the tailstock pushed in is more likely to be the top of the bowl you are going to turn.

wood blank from firewood pile
Piece of hickory off of the firewood pile that will be turned into a winged wood bowl

This piece came from a bigger piece of firewood, I could see the color and just couldn’t keep it in the wood pile. So I mounted it on the lathe. Turned it a while until I decided I wanted to do a winged bowl of some sort.

So I used a 2-1/8″ forstner bit to drill a hole for my Nova Super2 Chuck.

Firewood piece recess drilled for mounting on Nova chuck
Hickory firewood piece gets drilled for recess for Nova Chuck 2″ jaws

It looks like walnut but it came from a pile of firewood that had oak, hickory and cherry in it. So, I’m guessing its Hickory. It was a fun project, kind of challenging. You need to be careful because it basically becomes something similar to a propeller on an airplane. You need to turn it at high speed and you need to be familiar with “ghost” turning.

If you try something like this make sure all your safety gear is on because a catch will cause big problems. I like the challenge, even if I can’t see as well as I used to. You can always compensate for your inabilities. For me, I installed all LED lighting fixturesย  they simply screw into a keyless fixture and the brightness is amazing. I can see the ghosting of the winged bowl, makes it safer and I know where I am cutting (gouging).

Someone will fall in love with the shape, form and color! I just kept turning until it looked like something I might be proud of. Remember a bowl doesn’t have to be a round piece of hollow wood. You can turn small bowls, cups, vases, billy bats or flat plates from wood that comes from the firewood pile ๐Ÿ™‚

Winged Wood Bowl from piece of Hickory firewood
A winged bowl made from a piece of hickory firewood

So, in this category I plan on showing off some of my work that was done with firewood and I’ll find firewood projects done by others and post them here.

Hickory Firewood to Wood Bowl
How to turn hickory firewood to wood bowl.

The whole idea is to open up the world of possibilities when it comes to wood and woodturning. And hopefully share techniques and methods to make some of these projects happen.

Keep in mind. Its easier to turn a prepared round blank than a piece of firewood. But if you get the concept you will become interested in seeing if you can duplicate some of these efforts. As always, please be safe. If you think it is too dangerous to follow someone in a video or pictures then …..wait a while until you get better acquainted with your tools, equipment and skills!

A piece of wood is a piece of wood. It can become a simple bowl or a piece of art. My friend Al Furtado will take the ugliest piece of wood and turn it into an expensive piece of artwork….. you can too if you practice and learn the basics of woodturning ๐Ÿ™‚

Woodturning Basics

I try to keep in my thoughts the basics. It’s easy to get board with turning salad bowls all the time. So….I try to mix it up. I’ll grab a 3″ ash branch and turn a billy club …or billy bat as my grandsons say. Latter in the week I might go to the wood pile and find some burled oak pieces of firewood. I’ll take those to the bandsaw and cut up some square blanks to be used as pens or pizza cutter handles. I’m always looking for that log …..that will give me a beautiful vase. Then there is a spalted maple log, half rotted that I decide to make a project of with some epoxy.

I always go back to the firewood pile. Guys who sell firewood will tell you its all oak and its all dry. They are lying on both parts. You’ll find every local species in that pile and it won’t be dry. Sometimes I just take the piece of firewood and turn it round, throw it in the corner or in a box and let it finish drying…..I got a round blank that might become a handle, rolling pin…billy bat or …..well, you get the idea!

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